buffett 2013 AM

http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2013/05/04/live-blog-berkshire-hathaways-2013-shareholder-meeting/


Q Asked about Herbalife and Ackman's fight and multi-level marketing.
A Mr. Buffett replies that the ultimate test is whether there’s a market for the goods being sold. And in the case of Pampered Chef, he says, there’s no question that there is. (BH owns Pampered Chef, also an MLM)

Qut still, interest rates will rise, and it will be a “shot heard around the world.”

A separate question from Ms. Quick: How does the policy affect Berkshire’s companies? Mr. Buffett notes how asset prices have risen because of the abundance of cheap debt, as well as lowering the costs for a deal like the Heinz takeover.

“This is like watching a good movie, as far as I’m concerned,” he says, “because I don’t know how it will end.”

Mr. Buffett says that the past decade has generally been rough for business. That said, if the market continues to rally as it has this year, Berkshire will suffer its first five-year period of trailing the S.&P. 500.

“It won’t be a happy day, but it won’t discourage us,” he said. He added as a caveat that the company is likely to outperform the market in down years.

• What Buffett says about his research and process in making investments given there are legendary stories of his past due diligence, including of American Express, where he hired advisers. That contrasts to the $5 billion he put into Bank of America in 2011, which Buffett has admitted he decided in the bathtub would be a good idea and called.
• “You have to love something to do well at it. ... It is an enormous advantage if you absolutely love what you are doing. ... The nature of it is that intensity adds to your productivity.

  That follow-up shareholder asked them about metrics and screening for stocks, and Buffett and Munger both said they don’t really look at numbers.
• “We are looking at businesses exactly like we are looking at them if somebody came in and asked us to buy the whole business,” Buffett said. He said they then want to know how it will do in ten years.

  Munger was even more forceful: “We don’t know how to buy stocks by metrics ... We know that Burlington Northern will have a competitive advantage in years ... we don’t know what the heck Apple will have. ... You really have to understand the company and its competitive positions. ... That’s not disclosed by the math.

  Buffett: "I don’t know how I would manage money if I had to do it just on the numbers"

  Munger, interupting, "You’d do it badly."

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We pay no attention to economic forecasts. I don’t read anything [along those lines]. I read annual reports, but I don’t read anybody’s opinion about what’s going to happen next week, or next month or next year.

The second question is whether there are any special industries we favor. The only thing we favor is industries we can understand. And then, we like businesses with what I call “moats” around them. We like businesses that are protected in some way from competition. If you go in the drugstore and say “I want to buy a Hershey bar” and the guy says “I’ve got an unmarked chocolate bar that’s a nickel cheaper,” you’ll buy the Hershey bar or you’ll go across the street.

One of the interesting things to do is walk through a supermarket sometime and think about who’s got pricing power, and who’s got a franchise, and who doesn’t. If you go buy Oreo cookies, and I’m going to take home Oreo cookies or something that looks like Oreo cookies for the kids, or your spouse, or whomever, you’ll buy the Oreo cookies. If the other is three cents a package cheaper, you’ll still buy the Oreo cookies. You’ll buy Jello instead of some other. You’ll buy Kool Aid instead of Wyler’s powdered soft drink. But, if you go to buy milk, it doesn’t make any difference whether its Borden’s, or Sealtest, or whatever. And you will not pay a premium to buy one milk over another. You will not pay a premium to buy one [brand of] frozen peas over another, probably. It’s the difference between having a wonderful business and not a wonderful business. The milk business is not a good business.

Anything that differentiates your product – those are the businesses we like to be in.

The durability and strength of the franchise is the most important thing in figuring out [whether it’s a good business]. If you think a business is going to be around 10 or 20 years from now, and that they’re going to be able to price advantageously, that’s going to be a good business. And if somebody has to have a prayer session every time they want to raise the price a dollar a pound on whatever they’re selling, that’s not going to be a good business.

One of the things you will find, which is interesting and people don’t think of it enough, with most businesses and with most individuals, life tends to snap you at your weakest link.

The two biggest weak links in my experience: I’ve seen more people fail because of liquor and leverage